Treeline live with Ben Rawlence
I was tired from a long weekend "expressing the agency of my citizenship" (as Ben calls it) looking after a group of Scouts on their Chief Scout's Expedition.
So, really didn't do justice to this conversation with the incredible Ben Rawlence.
You could hear the cogs stutter and slip as I grasped for an insightful response to his genius and an intelligent way to carry on.
But Ben propped my faltering faculties until the last, gamely answering the questions I wish I'd asked.
One of those conversations you can watch time and again, revealing a new layer of understanding and wisdom each time.
What an honour it was to spend time with this beautifully enlightened human being.
Ben's book Treeline is available in our back issues.